You Just Got Beat by a Civic

Matthew Guy
by Matthew Guy

Yesterday, our man Matt Posky ably wrote about the 2023 Honda Civic Type R and its record-setting lap at the Nürburgring Nordschleife, circling the Green Hell in 7:44.881, enough to best the 2019 Renault Mégane R.S. Trophy-R by over half a second.


This got us thinkin’: with a time like that, what other cars did it beat?


Now, to be sure, there is some merit to the notion that it’s pointless for manufacturers to chase lap times around an arbitrarily selected ribbon of tarmac in the German countryside. With 12.9 miles, 154 corners, and a host of surface changes, it only takes a split-second of inattention to dramatically affect lap times. Nevertheless, measures of a car’s sporting prowess are often arbitrary – look at the quarter mile, for instance, and even the ubiquitous horsepower unit itself is rooted in a very random series of events.


Check out this video to see what we mean.


Here is a sampling of vehicles throughout the years which set official Nürburgring Nordschleife lap times which were slower than the 7:44.881 touted by Honda. Some of the times may be for minorly different track lengths thanks to variations over the years but still make for a fun comparison.


7:46 - Lamborghini Gallardo LP570-4 Superleggera, 2007

7:46.70 - Porsche 718 Cayman S, 2016

7:49 - Chevrolet Corvette C6 Z06, 2007

7:52 - Aston Martin V12 Vantage S, 2014

7:52.17 - Toyota GR Supra, 2019

7:58 - BMW M2, 2015

8:14 - Range Rover Sport SVR, 2014

8:17 - Porsche Cayman S, 2009

8:18 - Ferrari 355, 1997

16:01 - Trabant P50, 1960


Progress, eh? And, in case you missed it, the record-setting Civic Type R was fitted with Michelin Pilot Sport Cup 2 Connect tires, rubber jointly developed with Michelin using know-how amassed through the development of the Michelin Pilot Sport 4 S. It is the latter which is standard kit on the R, though the ones used in the record are available through Honda dealers.


By the way, a Porsche 919 Hybrid Evo turned the trick in 5:19.546 in June 2018 with driver Timo Bernhard behind the wheel. Back in the (almost) real world, Stuttgart sent their Mercedes-AMG One around the place in 6:35.183 on the 20,832 meter lap, the same distance as the Honda.


[Image: Honda]


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Matthew Guy
Matthew Guy

Matthew buys, sells, fixes, & races cars. As a human index of auto & auction knowledge, he is fond of making money and offering loud opinions.

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  • Tassos Tassos on Apr 22, 2023

    Thanks, Captain Obvious, for pointing out that 2023 models have way more performance than the same models 20 years ago. WHy don't you tell us how many SERIOUS 2023 SPORTS or GT Cars did that silly Civic Beat? I will help you out. NONE.


  • Raph Raph on Apr 23, 2023

    Lol, I can't speak for the writer. Maybe they wrote the story figuring the reader would have some context.

  • TheMrFreeze Techron actually works...I've personally seen Techron solve a fuel-related issue in one of my vehicles and have been using it for the last 20 years as a result. Add a bottle to the tank every time I do an oil change, have never had fuel delivery issues since.
  • Redapple2 Let me think here. Big 3 sell 10,000,000 cars in the US in the last x years. Volvo, Toyota, Honda, MB sell 1.000.000. Big 3 have ZERO cars on the hi mile list.Hum: What does that mean? I know what it means.
  • THX1136 That's so cool. This one is close to what I had accumulated with the 84 Shelby Charger I owned. Since it only had a 5 digit odo no one would know it had over 406k. I kept track of everyplace it turned over with only 2 still lodged in my 71 yo brain. If I had taken care of it cosmetically as well as I did mechanically I still think I could have gotten to 500k which was a goal I set for myself. The Toyota mentioned is quite impressive at over 900k. Thanks for the write up, Murilee!
  • Kwik_Shift_Pro4X Nice to see. I like the Top 10 list and seeing "80s Mercedes" within.
  • Redapple2 jeffbut they (gm) dont want to ... their (gm ) pick up is 4th behind ford/ram, Toyota. GM has the Best engineers in the world. (gm has )More truck profit than the other 3 (manufacturers (ford, ram , toyota)). (The combined sales of ) Silverado + Sierra+ Tahoe + Yukon sales = (yields ) 2x ford total (profit from trucks) @ $15,000 profit per. (therefore gm has )Tons of $ (money ) to invest in the BEST truck. No. They make crap. Garbage. Evil gm Vampire. (expound / corrections )
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