QOTD: What Price Performance?

Tim Healey
by Tim Healey

I concluded my 2024 Ford Mustang GT review by pointing out that if you order a fully-loaded GT it will cost you around $60K, and that strikes me as expensive -- especially for a model that once offered V8 power for a relatively low price.


Some of you in the comments -- yes, we do read them -- agreed with me, while others thought that $60K for a GT was actually still a bargain. Others pointed out that if one was judicious with options, you could get a GT decently equipped for under $50,000. Do you really need the Performance Pack or magnetic ride (which requires you to buy the Performance Pack)?

Some of you would no doubt point out that the EcoBoost has become the "cheap speed" version of the Mustang -- the four-cylinder offers plenty of power and the car is fun enough that maybe you don't need the V8's muscle and sound. I certainly used that narrative in my EcoBoost review.

I bring this up because I think the definition of "cheap" has changed when it comes to performance. According to Cox Automotive, the average transaction price for vehicles is now over $48,000, as of May. So relative to the ATP, a judiciously equipped Mustang GT is "affordable performance."

On the other hand, many of us aren't in a financial situation where we can afford a vehicle that costs over $40K. Salaries and wages haven't necessarily kept up with the cost of cars, for a variety of factors I don't have time to get into here.

So, I ask of you, B and B -- what is now the right dollar amount for "affordable" performance? I certainly think Honda's Civic Si, which starts at under $30K, fits. There's also a slew of sporty cars in the $30,000 to $40,000 range that are attainable for a lot of folks. Cars like the Volkswagen Jetta GLI, Subaru WRX, and so on.

The Mustang, of course, is not the only performance car in that $40K-$60K range. It's not the only car that would start a debate over whether it is affordable or not -- Nissan's Z, Toyota's Supra, and others like the Honda Civic Type R are in a similar boat.

So, what say you? At what price does a performance car stop being affordable? Or is it all relative, depending not just on market forces but also on the size of your bank account?

Sound off below.

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Tim Healey
Tim Healey

Tim Healey grew up around the auto-parts business and has always had a love for cars — his parents joke his first word was “‘Vette”. Despite this, he wanted to pursue a career in sports writing but he ended up falling semi-accidentally into the automotive-journalism industry, first at Consumer Guide Automotive and later at Web2Carz.com. He also worked as an industry analyst at Mintel Group and freelanced for About.com, CarFax, Vehix.com, High Gear Media, Torque News, FutureCar.com, Cars.com, among others, and of course Vertical Scope sites such as AutoGuide.com, Off-Road.com, and HybridCars.com. He’s an urbanite and as such, doesn’t need a daily driver, but if he had one, it would be compact, sporty, and have a manual transmission.

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  • FormerFF FormerFF on Jul 31, 2023

    I recently picked up a 2017 GTI for use as a daily driver and track rat. On the street, I can't use all the performance that it has, and on the track it keeps up with traffic, although I do have to give point bys to well driven V8 powered cars. Cars like the GTI, Civic SI, Toyobaru twins, MX-5s, and GR Corollas are plenty for all but the most dedicated drivers.

  • Joe65688619 Joe65688619 on Aug 18, 2023

    The automakers' margin in in the options for a give platform - you're seeing, by volume, fewer base models being made, and higher premiums for premium models. Fleets are are still sucking up the inventory priced at the bottom of the market, so yeah, to get into a "performance" car, you're having to spend some $$$. As long as the demand is there this will continue.

  • Redapple2 I gave up on Honda. My 09 Accord Vs my 03. The 09s- V 6 had a slight shudder when deactivating cylinders. And the 09 did not have the 03 's electro luminescent gages. And the 09 had the most uncomfortable seats. My brother bought his 3rd and last Honda CRV. Brutal seats after 25 minutes. NOW, We are forever Toyota, Lexus, Subaru people now despite HAVING ACCESS TO gm EMPLOYEE DISCOUNT. Despite having access to the gm employee discount. Man, that is a massive statement. Wow that s bad - Under no circumstances will I have that govna crap.
  • Redapple2 Front tag obscured. Rear tag - clear and sharp. Huh?
  • Redapple2 I can state what NOT to buy. HK. High theft. Insurance. Unrefined NVH. Rapidly degrading interiors. HK? No way !
  • Luke42 Serious answer:Now that I DD an EV, buying an EV to replace my wife’s Honda Civic is in the queue. My wife likes her Honda, she likes Apple CarPlay, and she can’t stand Elon Musk - so Tesla starts the competition with two demerit-points and Honda starts the competition with one merit-point.The Honda Prologue looked like a great candidate until Honda announced that the partnership with GM was a one-off thing and that their future EVs would be designed in-house.Now I’m more inclined toward the Blazer EV, the vehicle on which the Prologue is based. The Blazer EV and the Ultium platform won’t be orphaned by GM any time soon. But then I have to convince my wife she would like it better than her Honda Civic, and that’s a heavy lift because she doesn’t have any reason to be dissatisfied with her current car (I take care of all of the ICE-hassles for her).Since my wife’s Honda Civic is holding up well, since she likes the car, and since I take care of most of the drawbacks of drawbacks of ICE ownership for her, there’s no urgency to replace this vehicle.Honestly, if a paid-off Honda Civic is my wife’s automotive hill to die on, that’s a pretty good place to be - even though I personally have to continue dealing the hassles and expenses of ICE ownership on her behalf.My plan is simply to wait-and-see what Honda does next. Maybe they’ll introduce the perfect EV for her one day, and I’ll just go buy it.
  • 2ACL I have a soft spot for high-performance, shark-nosed Lancers (I considered the less-potent Ralliart during the period in which I eventually selected my first TL SH-AWD), but it's can be challenging to find a specimen that doesn't exhibit signs of abuse, and while most of the components are sufficiently universal in their function to service without manufacturer support, the SST isn't one of them. The shops that specialize in it are familiar with the failure as described by the seller and thus might be able to fix this one at a substantial savings to replacement. There's only a handful of them in the nation, however. A salvaged unit is another option, but the usual risks are magnified by similar logistical challenges to trying to save the original.I hope this is a case of the seller overvaluing the Evo market rather than still owing or having put the mods on credit. Because the best offer won't be anywhere near the current listing.
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