Dodge CEO Says Electrification Won’t Spoil American Muscle

Matt Posky
by Matt Posky

With the brunt of the automotive industry vowing to electrify their lineups and government regulators keen on restricting emissions, many have wondered how the change will impact American brands. While Tesla has managed to solidify the United States as the dominant purveyor of all-electric vehicles, American performance has long been synonymous with exceptionally large motors boasting the kind of oomph foreign manufacturers might consider excessive at a price point that seems downright reasonable.

The concern here is that the changing landscape is about to close the door on American muscle cars for a second time. However, Dodge CEO Tim Kuniskis is trying to assure the world that this won’t be the case. He’s telling anyone willing to listen that its forthcoming products will continue to deliver the kind of performance Mopar fans are accustomed to.


“Everybody's panicked about [electrification]," Kuniskis told Automotive News from the sidelines of Roadkill Nights, the annual Mopar-themed motorsports event held in Pontiac, Michigan, ahead of the Woodward Dream Cruise. "It is what it is. This is the regulation. This is where the industry is going. This is what we have to do."


But the CEO also said EVs offer some unique performance advantages over combustion vehicles.


From Automotive News:


Kuniskis said the industry is in a similar position as it was in the 1970s, when regulations put a shackle on muscle cars. But Kuniskis feels this moment is different. He sees manufacturers delivering fun EVs with plenty of punch for speed lovers.
"There's tons of potential in this technology," Kuniskis said. "I get it: Not everybody is adopting to this technology right away, and not everybody will. It will take many years for everybody to, but people will. Early adopters will, and when they see what we can do with this technology, they will start coming along.
"Eventually people will see that this technology can make something cool and fun. It's probably going to sound different, but people tuning cars, making cars faster and competing against each other will not go away. They say the first drag race occurred the second the second car was built. People are going to compete. People are going to compete to have a cooler, faster, funner car and it's not going to change."
While looking toward that future, Kuniskis has to bridge the gap before the next-generation Charger arrives in the second or third quarter of 2024.


Tesla has certainly proved that battery-powered passenger vehicles are capable of being blisteringly fast. The Model S boasts the kind of acceleration that used to be exclusive to six-figure performance cars. Though it could also be argued that the all-electric sedan effectively is a six-figure performance car. The Dual Motor Tesla Model S MSRP begins at $88,490 and the hi-po Plaid starts at a whopping $108,490.

Comparing the situation to the regulatory landscape of the 1970s also seems like a bad idea considering just how badly that worked out for American brands. Back then, swelling regulatory restrictions effectively killed the muscle car and kicked off the Malaise Era of automotive design. The period was marked by U.S. companies losing ground to foreign brands and delivering the kind of terrible vehicles that made it extremely easy to buy Japanese.


Obviously, Kuniskis is hoping to express that things will be different this time around. But we’ve been seeing all the hallmarks of the bad old days starting to manifest. Consumer surveys are showcasing that people are becoming less satisfied with modern designs. Most of this stems from lackluster experiences with modern infotainment systems. But global manufacturing quality also seems to be on the decline and Americans seem particularly hesitant to embrace all-electric vehicles (Tesla excluded) as more V8-powered models fall by the wayside.


While loopholes in Corporate Average Fuel Economy standards basically guarantee the United States can still produce massive vehicles with gargantuan gasoline engines, it also means they’ll be pickups and SUVs — neither of which are likely to offer the kind of handling available from a coupe or sedan.


Kuniskis, who also heads Ram, addressed this indirectly by suggesting there was an overlap between the kind of people that buy pickups and muscle cars.


"Inside the company, these brands are independent little businesses, but to the outside world, the customers see these as the same company," he said. "They see Jeep, Chrysler, Dodge, Ram, everything in the same showroom.


"So they realize that it's all part of one family. But what people forget is pickup trucks today are so popular that they cross over so many different buyer profiles. The [number one] garage mate of a muscle car is a pickup truck. The people that are here for performance cars also love trucks, and the people who love trucks also love muscle cars, so there's a natural affinity between the two."

However, it’s unclear what the muscle car of tomorrow will be. Dodge’s plans for the next-generation Charger (and presumably Challenger) have remained murky. But the brand has showcased an all-electric prototype (pictured above) that imitates a V8 exhaust note, hinted that the vehicle could utilize a powerful straight-six motor, and said the resulting product (whatever it is) would go on sale during the second half of 2024.


But the problem is that none of that feels particularly American or likely to remind anybody of Dodge’s glory days. Even if it ends up being a faster car, there’s a real chance it won’t resonate with the current Mopar clientele.


The issue may even carry over to Dodge’s other models. While your author found himself enjoying the Alfa Romeo Tonale far more than anticipated, it’s hard to envision the model as a product from Dodge once it’s been rebadged as the Hornet. Chrysler brands have enjoyed a long history of rebadging stellar vehicles from other companies (e.g. Diamond-Star Motors) and I hope they sell truckloads. But, beyond the bodywork, there’s nothing about the top-tier Hornet hybrid R/T that would lead one to believe it’s supposed to be a modern Dodge product.

Maybe that’ll change once Stellantis brands begin producing more electrified products for the American market. But then what exactly will Dodge be doing differently from the rest of the pack? How does it intend on maintaining its well-earned reputation?


At any rate, the company plans on flooding the market with as many traditional muscle cars as can be built in the interim and capitalizing on them by suggesting they’ll be the “last call” for V8-powered Dodges. Chevrolet appears to be doing the same thing with the Camaro, while Ford has opted to continue building the gasoline-powered Mustang alongside the so-called “Mustang” Mach-E all-electric crossover.


But the billion-dollar question is what will actually work for the brands’ bottom line. Will electrification herald a new period of American performance or is this going to be the springboard for Malaise Era 2.0?


Kuniskis seems confident things will work out and is a likable fellow. We absolutely want to believe him. But he’s also an automotive CEO and convincing the public that his business has a winning strategy is a big part of the job.

[Images: Dodge]

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Matt Posky
Matt Posky

A staunch consumer advocate tracking industry trends and regulation. Before joining TTAC, Matt spent a decade working for marketing and research firms based in NYC. Clients included several of the world’s largest automakers, global tire brands, and aftermarket part suppliers. Dissatisfied with the corporate world and resentful of having to wear suits everyday, he pivoted to writing about cars. Since then, that man has become an ardent supporter of the right-to-repair movement, been interviewed on the auto industry by national radio broadcasts, driven more rental cars than anyone ever should, participated in amateur rallying events, and received the requisite minimum training as sanctioned by the SCCA. Handy with a wrench, Matt grew up surrounded by Detroit auto workers and managed to get a pizza delivery job before he was legally eligible. He later found himself driving box trucks through Manhattan, guaranteeing future sympathy for actual truckers. He continues to conduct research pertaining to the automotive sector as an independent contractor and has since moved back to his native Michigan, closer to where the cars are born. A contrarian, Matt claims to prefer understeer — stating that front and all-wheel drive vehicles cater best to his driving style.

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  • Art_Vandelay Art_Vandelay on Aug 17, 2023

    You guys act like EV's don't make noise and are like driving a video game. I love V8 rumble (though an uncorked BMW V10 is probably my favorite engine noise), but an electric motor whirring away like Doc Brown's Delorean is pretty cool in its own right. You look at some of the purpose built race electrics (the real future of EV muscle...all those sound gizmos are for boomers) and they make a glorious racket.

    I know it is hard for some to accept for whom the pinnacle of performance is pinion snubbers on your Dodge, but EV muscle is going to be glorious. And as a bonus since you don't have to worry about CAFE and stuff they will be free to not style the cars in a wind tunnel.

    This is a win for enthusiasts. But it will be difficult for those who see the Olds Delta 88 Brougham as peak car, which is a lot of posters here.


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    • Lou_BC Lou_BC on Aug 17, 2023

      My favorite engine noises come from the original Yamaha VMax with V-boost wide open with some aftermarket pipe. Desmo Ducati's are sweet. Even Honda's VFR sounded sweet. I guess I love the sound of a V-4.


  • Haze3 Haze3 on Aug 17, 2023

    The irony is that EV's feel more like a threat to the old school, small sports cars (MG, Triumph, Fiat, Miata) than they do to muscle cars. Sure, Dodge never made those but EV's are at least capable of being relatively heavy and very fast in a straight line. They struggle to be truly nimble.


    In the end, muscle cars are cultural icons but all such icons eventually give way to time and technology, like those little sports cars did long ago (Miata excepted). I'm more motivated by the loss of the do-it-yourself side of the hot rod culture b/c I do believe that's going to be a tougher path going forward (that we need right-to-repair at all is a little insane).


    Lastly, embrace the good, when it's good. EV's can be serious performers, even if they'll never have that V8 rumble.

    • Art_Vandelay Art_Vandelay on Aug 17, 2023

      They can be quite nimble but you can’t do it with a giant battery which means you give up range. This is a trade off few seem willing to make


  • NJRide A question and a point:1) What were hybrids at compared to last year? And plug in bs a regular hybrid?2) How can state governments like mine possibly think 40 percent of sales will be electric in 3 years?
  • Steve S. Steve was a car guy. In his younger years he owned a couple of European cars that drained his bank account but looked great and were fun to drive while doing it. This was not a problem when he was working at a good paying job at an aerospace company that supplied the likes of Boeing and Lockheed-Martin, but after he was laid off he had to work a number of crummy temp jobs in order to keep paying the rent, and after his high-mileage BMW was totaled in an accident, he took the insurance payout and decided to get something a little less high maintenance. But what to get? A Volkswagen? Maybe a Volvo? No, he knew that the parts for those were just as expensive and they had the same reputation for spending a lot of time in the shop as any other European make. Steve was sick and tired of driving down that road."Just give me four wheels and a seat," said Steve to himself. "I'll buy something cooler later when my work situation improves".His insurance company was about to stop paying for the rental car he was driving, so he had to make a decision in a hurry. He was not really a fan of domestics but he knew that they were generally reliable and were cheap to fix when they did break, so he decided to go to the nearest dealership and throw a dart at something.On the lot was a two year old Pontiac Sunfire. It had 38,000 miles on it and was clean inside and out. It looked reasonably sporty, and Steve knew that GM had been producing the J-car for so long that they pretty much worked the bugs out of it. After taking a test drive and deciding that the Ecotec engine made adequate power he made a deal. The insurance check paid for about half of it, and he financed the rest at a decent rate which he paid off within a year.Steve's luck took a turn for the better when he was offered a job working for the federal government. It had been months since he went on the government jobs website and threw darts at job listings, so he was surprised at the offer. It was far from his dream job, and it didn't pay a lot, but it was stable and had good benefits. It was the "four wheels and a seat" of jobs. "I can do this temporarily while I find a better job", he told himself.But the year 2007 saw the worst economic crash since the Great Depression. Millions of people were losing their jobs, the housing market was in a free fall, people were declaring bankruptcy left and right, and the temporary job began to look more and more permanent. Steve didn't like his job, and he hated his supervisors, but he considered himself lucky that he was working when so many people were not. And the federal government didn't lay people off.So he settled in for the long haul. That meant keeping the Sunfire. He didn't enjoy it, but he didn't hate it either, and it did everything he asked of it without complaint.Eventually he found a way to tolerate his job too, and he built seniority while paying off his debts. There was a certain feeling of comfort and satisfaction of being debt-free, and he even began to build some savings, which was increasingly important for someone now in their forties.Another bit of luck came a few years later when Steve's landlord decided to sell the house Steve was renting, at the bottom of the housing market, and offered it to Steve for what he had in it. Steve's house was small and cramped, and he didn't really like it, but thanks to his savings and good credit he became a homeowner in an up and coming neighborhood.Fourteen years later Steve was still working that temporary job, still living in that cramped little house that he now hated, and still drove the Sunfire because it wouldn't die. For years now he dreamed of making a change, but then the pandemic happened and threw the economy and life in general into chaos. Steve weathered the pandemic, kept his job when millions of people were losing theirs, and sheltered in place in that crummy little house, with Netflix, HBO, and a dozen other streaming services keeping him company, and drove to and from work in the Sunfire because it was four wheels and a seat and that's all he needed for now.Steve's life was secure, but a kind of dullness had set in. He existed, but the fire went out; even when the pandemic ended and life returned to normal Steve's life went on as it had for years; an endless Groundhog Day of work, home, work, home. He never got his real-estate license or finished college and got his bachelor's, never got a better job, never used his passport to do some traveling in Europe. He lost interest in cars. "To think how much money I wasted on hot cars when I was younger", he said to himself. He never married and lost interest in dating. "No woman would want me anyway. I've gotten so dull and uninteresting that I even bore myself".Eventually the Sunfire began to give trouble. With 200,000 miles on the clock it was leaking oil, developing electrical gremlins, and wallow around on blown-out shocks. Steve wasn't hurting for money and thought about treating himself to a new car. "A BMW 3-series, maybe. Or maybe an Alfa Romeo Giulia!" He began to peruse the listings on Autotrader. "Maybe this is just what I need to pull out of this funk. Put a little fun back in my life. Yeah, and maybe go back to the gym, and who knows, start dating again and do some traveling while I'm still young enough to enjoy it!"Then his father passed away and left him a low-mileage Ford. Steve didn't like it or hate it, but it was four wheels and a seat, and that's all he needed right now."Is it too late to have a mid-life crisis?" Steve thought to himself. For what he needed more than that stable job, that house with an enviably small mortgage payment, and that reliable car was a good kick in the hindquarters. "What the hell am I afraid of? I should be afraid that things will never change!"But the depression was like a drug, a numbness that they call "dysthymia"; where you're neither here or there, alive or dead, happy or sad. It was a persistent overcast, a low ceiling that kept him grounded. The Sunfire sat in his driveway getting buried by the needles from his neighbor's overhanging pine trees which were planted right on the property line. "Those f---ing pine trees! That's another thing I hate about this damn house!" Eventually the Sunfire wouldn't start. "I don't blame you", he said to the car as he trudged past it to drive the Ford to another Groundhog Day at that miserable job.
  • Yuda Cool. Cept we need oil and such products. Not just for fuel but other stuff as well. The world isn't exactly ready to move to wind and solar and whatever other bs, the technology simply isn't here yetNot to mention it's too friggin expensive, the equipment is still too niche and expensive as it stands
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