QOTD: What Price Performance?

Tim Healey
by Tim Healey

I concluded my 2024 Ford Mustang GT review by pointing out that if you order a fully-loaded GT it will cost you around $60K, and that strikes me as expensive -- especially for a model that once offered V8 power for a relatively low price.


Some of you in the comments -- yes, we do read them -- agreed with me, while others thought that $60K for a GT was actually still a bargain. Others pointed out that if one was judicious with options, you could get a GT decently equipped for under $50,000. Do you really need the Performance Pack or magnetic ride (which requires you to buy the Performance Pack)?

Some of you would no doubt point out that the EcoBoost has become the "cheap speed" version of the Mustang -- the four-cylinder offers plenty of power and the car is fun enough that maybe you don't need the V8's muscle and sound. I certainly used that narrative in my EcoBoost review.

I bring this up because I think the definition of "cheap" has changed when it comes to performance. According to Cox Automotive, the average transaction price for vehicles is now over $48,000, as of May. So relative to the ATP, a judiciously equipped Mustang GT is "affordable performance."

On the other hand, many of us aren't in a financial situation where we can afford a vehicle that costs over $40K. Salaries and wages haven't necessarily kept up with the cost of cars, for a variety of factors I don't have time to get into here.

So, I ask of you, B and B -- what is now the right dollar amount for "affordable" performance? I certainly think Honda's Civic Si, which starts at under $30K, fits. There's also a slew of sporty cars in the $30,000 to $40,000 range that are attainable for a lot of folks. Cars like the Volkswagen Jetta GLI, Subaru WRX, and so on.

The Mustang, of course, is not the only performance car in that $40K-$60K range. It's not the only car that would start a debate over whether it is affordable or not -- Nissan's Z, Toyota's Supra, and others like the Honda Civic Type R are in a similar boat.

So, what say you? At what price does a performance car stop being affordable? Or is it all relative, depending not just on market forces but also on the size of your bank account?

Sound off below.

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Tim Healey
Tim Healey

Tim Healey grew up around the auto-parts business and has always had a love for cars — his parents joke his first word was “‘Vette”. Despite this, he wanted to pursue a career in sports writing but he ended up falling semi-accidentally into the automotive-journalism industry, first at Consumer Guide Automotive and later at Web2Carz.com. He also worked as an industry analyst at Mintel Group and freelanced for About.com, CarFax, Vehix.com, High Gear Media, Torque News, FutureCar.com, Cars.com, among others, and of course Vertical Scope sites such as AutoGuide.com, Off-Road.com, and HybridCars.com. He’s an urbanite and as such, doesn’t need a daily driver, but if he had one, it would be compact, sporty, and have a manual transmission.

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  • FormerFF FormerFF on Jul 31, 2023

    I recently picked up a 2017 GTI for use as a daily driver and track rat. On the street, I can't use all the performance that it has, and on the track it keeps up with traffic, although I do have to give point bys to well driven V8 powered cars. Cars like the GTI, Civic SI, Toyobaru twins, MX-5s, and GR Corollas are plenty for all but the most dedicated drivers.

  • Joe65688619 Joe65688619 on Aug 18, 2023

    The automakers' margin in in the options for a give platform - you're seeing, by volume, fewer base models being made, and higher premiums for premium models. Fleets are are still sucking up the inventory priced at the bottom of the market, so yeah, to get into a "performance" car, you're having to spend some $$$. As long as the demand is there this will continue.

  • 28-Cars-Later "Inside EVs sent automotive journalist Kevin Williams to the Beijing Auto Show, and Williams walked away feeling like Chinese automakers are, generally speaking, building cars that could come to the States and immediately steal plenty of buyers from American, European, Japanese, and Korean automakers."I doubt this very much because: [list=1][*]Conventional drivetrains are not gonna fly and the Chinese are not going to pay to federalize whatever they're selling in Asia (or they would have by now).[/*][*]Until emissions rules for BEV are drawn up (and I'm sure top men are working on that now) it would be easier to resell BEV Asian market product in the US but you're mostly competing for Tesla owners/fans unless you come in and undercut everyone by 50% or more to grow the market. [/*][/list=1]BEV is not taking off folks, the 7% or so (roughly VWoA, Volvo, and Mazda's historic market share) isn't suddenly going to double or triple at current price to value. If PRC brands were to come in with new commuters at $14,995 and then nickle-and-dime for basic features (i.e. the RyanAir model) its a maybe but they won't. They'll come in 5% under the leaders for MSRP and then wonder why their dealer lots are ghost towns (I'm sure whatever dipsh!t dealer group opens a store for them will add ADM on like clowns too).
  • Kjhkjlhkjhkljh kljhjkhjklhkjh weird.. nobody wants to be a cop after cops get held accountable.. And no, this has nothing to do with the ''urban myth of defunding'', the funding reductions in this very article come from a reduction in crime during the pandemic (googlze)... and the voting ''people'' of Floridia not allowing funding increases in a vastly right leaning state, and desantis himself rejecting federal funding according to the googlze ... only top have desantis then TAKE covid relief funds from ARPA (also googlze) .. have fun .. wont be reading any replies since this will bring out all the conspiracy theories, secret cabals, gay mice and gay beer book burners
  • The Oracle Seems fruitless, Tesla’s German giga presses will be churning out front & rear chassis/body modules in no time, and in record numbers.
  • Jeff The Chinese automakers have come to other markets but I doubt they will be allowed in the US at least anytime soon. Most of the Chinese plants are newer and more automated than the US plants and they have learned how to build vehicles from the US and other automakers. Its a combination of Chinese Government support for their automakers and that Chinese automakers have improved their quality and have more automated and modern plants. US automakers and others are losing market share to Chinese automakers in the Chinese market.
  • Chris P Bacon I've only seen a few of them on the road so far. Do you think the transmission makes a difference? I'm not interested in anything with a CVT, so the base models are a no go, and the top model is just too pricey. Maybe as a certified pre-owned? My local dealer has a 23 Platinum AWD with 4k miles listed for $48k. Not that it's an issue for Toyota, but it's got 31 months of warranty left, plus another 12 month/12k miles. The dealer is including 4 years/50k miles service. If I were in the market, I'd take a look.
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