You Just Got Beat by a Civic

Matthew Guy
by Matthew Guy

Yesterday, our man Matt Posky ably wrote about the 2023 Honda Civic Type R and its record-setting lap at the Nürburgring Nordschleife, circling the Green Hell in 7:44.881, enough to best the 2019 Renault Mégane R.S. Trophy-R by over half a second.


This got us thinkin’: with a time like that, what other cars did it beat?


Now, to be sure, there is some merit to the notion that it’s pointless for manufacturers to chase lap times around an arbitrarily selected ribbon of tarmac in the German countryside. With 12.9 miles, 154 corners, and a host of surface changes, it only takes a split-second of inattention to dramatically affect lap times. Nevertheless, measures of a car’s sporting prowess are often arbitrary – look at the quarter mile, for instance, and even the ubiquitous horsepower unit itself is rooted in a very random series of events.


Check out this video to see what we mean.


Here is a sampling of vehicles throughout the years which set official Nürburgring Nordschleife lap times which were slower than the 7:44.881 touted by Honda. Some of the times may be for minorly different track lengths thanks to variations over the years but still make for a fun comparison.


7:46 - Lamborghini Gallardo LP570-4 Superleggera, 2007

7:46.70 - Porsche 718 Cayman S, 2016

7:49 - Chevrolet Corvette C6 Z06, 2007

7:52 - Aston Martin V12 Vantage S, 2014

7:52.17 - Toyota GR Supra, 2019

7:58 - BMW M2, 2015

8:14 - Range Rover Sport SVR, 2014

8:17 - Porsche Cayman S, 2009

8:18 - Ferrari 355, 1997

16:01 - Trabant P50, 1960


Progress, eh? And, in case you missed it, the record-setting Civic Type R was fitted with Michelin Pilot Sport Cup 2 Connect tires, rubber jointly developed with Michelin using know-how amassed through the development of the Michelin Pilot Sport 4 S. It is the latter which is standard kit on the R, though the ones used in the record are available through Honda dealers.


By the way, a Porsche 919 Hybrid Evo turned the trick in 5:19.546 in June 2018 with driver Timo Bernhard behind the wheel. Back in the (almost) real world, Stuttgart sent their Mercedes-AMG One around the place in 6:35.183 on the 20,832 meter lap, the same distance as the Honda.


[Image: Honda]


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Matthew Guy
Matthew Guy

Matthew buys, sells, fixes, & races cars. As a human index of auto & auction knowledge, he is fond of making money and offering loud opinions.

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  • Tassos Tassos on Apr 22, 2023

    Thanks, Captain Obvious, for pointing out that 2023 models have way more performance than the same models 20 years ago. WHy don't you tell us how many SERIOUS 2023 SPORTS or GT Cars did that silly Civic Beat? I will help you out. NONE.


  • Raph Raph on Apr 23, 2023

    Lol, I can't speak for the writer. Maybe they wrote the story figuring the reader would have some context.

  • VoGhost The back seat of the Versa is surprisingly large (for two).
  • Dwford When you buy a car they charge extra for the cool colors. But when you go to trade the car in the salesman tells you it’s worth less because no one wants that crazy color. That and people are sheep and don’t want to have to defend their color choice from mouthy friends and family. Easier to just buy gray
  • Chris P Bacon Seems like the trend might've started when automakers started changing for all paint colors besides black.
  • Ajla Most cars are bought from dealer inventory and dealers want to sell cars quickly. Most buyers don't like travelling to every lot in town either. Bolder Color elicits emotions. If you have an orange for Corolla 3 people might love it but 5 hate it as well. With a gray Corolla 1 person loves it, 1 person hates and 6 people don't care. Fleets buying also pushes up the grayscale percentage. I'd expect custom-ordered nonfleet vehicles are grayscale less frequently. There's also more being done with grayscale car paints then in the past. A pearl white S-Class isn't really the same thing as a flat white Chrysler Voyager.
  • Cprescott Knowing how badly these do in real world crashes, I'd never buy either. I briefly considered a Nissan Versa back in 2019 - but when I saw how these folded up and killed people in accidents that other cars would protect their passengers, I vowed never to ever consider a Nissan. One look at the Mirage is enough - front seat occupant will be in the backseat in any front impact and rear impact will have the rear seat folded around the front seats.
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