Easy to make hydrogen on site at the fuel yards.

If you make fuel in the yards there is no need for refineries nor hauling.

Yuta said:

' Fuel cells simply do not have the long term durability of existing options. The DOE's target service life of 5000 hours for transportation should be an eye opener that real world on the road conditions will simply never match what can be achieved in a stationary controlled conditions environment.'

In fact:

' Ballard Power Systems announced that a fuel cell electric bus powered by Ballard’s FCveloCity-HD6 fuel cells has achieved a new durability record with more than 25,000 hours of revenue service. This is equivalent to operating a bus on a 14-hour daily schedule, 5-days per week for 6.9 years with no significant maintenance to the fuel cell stack, a core engine component.

The bus—and several others nearing the 25,000-hour operating threshold—are part of a Transport for London fleet of 8 fuel cell buses, all powered by Ballard FCveloCity engines. These buses, originally funded under the Clean Hydrogen in European Cities (CHIC) fuel cell bus program, have been carrying paying passengers on London’s Tower Gateway route since 2010.'
http://www.greencarcongress.com/2017/08/20170830-ballard.html

These results have been duplicated elsewhere:
http://www.greencarcongress.com/2017/07/20170714-act.html

We need to know how many hours these will last to the point of failure till anyone can come to a conclusion as to whether this is an economically sane green option. According to article (1) linked below Orange County, California Transportation Authority they are spending $1.2 million per bus while a hybrid model (2) would cost $450K - $550K. That's an insane difference that must be considered to expand public transportation availability.

Smallest diesel crate engine I could find was a 2.8L Cummins engine costing $9K (3) with it's max power 42.5% more than the Ballard fuel cell capability that your buses are using leaving a nice margin for durability.

A Horizon 5KW fuel cell stack costs (4) $20K and the Ballard stack is (17 times more) 85KW would be $340K. I'd speculate in stacks alone buyng in bulk $250K - $300K worth of fuel cell stacks. Nobody can properly compare these without knowing hours till failure.

The only thing we can conclude is for the price of 10 hydrogen fuel cell electric buses @ $12 million we can buy 24 diesel electric hybrid buses. It shouldn't take rocket science to realize having 24 buses removes more cars off the road when possible than 10 buses that are not remarkably better in emissions in regards to raw fuel origin to road.

(1) https://www.ocregister.com/2018/02/07/octa-to-purchase-10-hydrogen-fuel-electric-buses-at-cost-of-about-12-million/
(2) http://www.intrans.iastate.edu/publications/_documents/t2summaries/hybrid_transit_bus_tech_brief1.pdf
(3) https://cumminsengines.com/repower.aspx
(4) http://www.fuelcellstore.com/fuel-cell-stacks/high-power-fuel-cell-stacks/horizon-5000watt-fuel-cell-h-5000

Fuel cells last, claiming they don't without proof is just hot air.

It is not manufacturer's claims, it is data from actual customers.
Enough with the FUD, use real facts.

I didn’t say they don’t last but the NREL report did say some last less than 500 hous.True fact in the NREL report.

https://www.nrel.gov/docs/fy18osti/70075.pdf#page44

Now although that is entirely true it is as silly and a misrepresentation as pretending that because a FCEB plant lasted over 25,000 hours (after being transplanted and receiving an overhaul) is typical. The reality in The report is that the average is a tad below 15,000 hours. Why try to pull the wool over peoples eyes? Why not just call like it is?

I lost? You mean you have no retort and concede ? I think you have confused my posts with someone else’s. Scroll back and re-read to clear your confusion.