Report: China May Require Belt-Starter-Generator Microhybrid Systems in Passenger Cars by 2012
24 July 2010
China’s Global Times newspaper reports that the China government is considering requiring new passenger car vehicles (PCVs) to be equipped with belt-starter-generator (BSG) systems for fuel efficiency, according to General Manager of Chery New Energy Company, Yuan Tao. Such microhybrid systems could save about 5% on fuel.
An industry insider from Dongfeng motor confirmed the statement, and said implementation should happen by 2012...Unlike the electric vehicle technology, the BSG is just an innovation of traditional gas-diesel engine and can boost fuel efficiency. Its cost is also relatively low. According to Dongfeng Motor, under mass production, it only costs 1,000 yuan ($147.5) per car to be equipped with the BSG system.
...Domestic fuel consumption in 2008 was 540 million tons of gasoline and 520 million tons of diesel. If all the vehicles had been equipped with the BSG system, the annual fuel consumption would have decreased by five million tons...Statistic shows that the sales volume of domestic new energy cars in 2009 are 9,800 units, only accounting for one thousandth of the sales of domestic PCVs.
Why our Big-3 did not take a $147/vehicle initiative to save 5% fuel? Is this another example that those people did not and will not take fuel saving initiatives by themselves and have to be mandated/forced by law every time? What is going on with our society and consumption and drill baby drill culture?
Posted by: HarveyD | 24 July 2010 at 09:50 AM
No its the fact that the milage/pollution test in america foes fubar on stop start systems. We should start to see alot of such systems soon as the test gets revised.
Posted by: wintermane2000 | 24 July 2010 at 10:03 AM
What is going on with our society and consumption and drill baby drill culture is freedom.
Mandated/forced behaviour will not work as well here as it does in Cuba and did in East Germany.
Posted by: ToppaTom | 24 July 2010 at 10:21 AM
GM had the BAS system on Malibu and it did not catch on. It did not help that Cobasys sent them bad battery packs, but there are other battery makers. They were rumored to have a BAS+ in the works with lithium batteries and a more powerful motor/alternator/starter, but like lots of announcements the proof is in the actual results.
Posted by: SJC | 24 July 2010 at 11:12 AM
If it saves the driver money it should sell. Apparently it does not do either.
I am not sure the mandated EPA rating on the window sticker is to blame - it surely does NOT HELP.
It is not GM's job to force it on buyers - although maybe the US gov should buy GM and push BAS.
Posted by: ToppaTom | 24 July 2010 at 11:19 AM
On-going cheap $2/gallon gas may be the main reason why nothing is done.
Posted by: HarveyD | 24 July 2010 at 12:18 PM
Most likely so.
Posted by: ToppaTom | 24 July 2010 at 12:25 PM
"It is not GM's job to force it on buyers.."
It is not GM's job to buy mass transit, close it down, and continue the life of convicted corporate felons, but they did.
http://www.wired.com/autopia/2006/12/who_killed_the_/
But since they're not alone http://www.commondreams.org/news2005/0620-24.htm
"What is going on with our society and consumption and drill baby drill culture?" is a damn good question.
Or it's just a ToppaTom definition of freedom, like global fiscal meltdowns, republican senators, and foreign country occupation.
Posted by: kelly | 24 July 2010 at 01:53 PM
An instant MPG gauge would be just as cheap but save you up to 33%; http://www.scangauge.com/support/savefuel.shtml
Posted by: ai_vin | 24 July 2010 at 02:23 PM
"It is not GM's job to buy mass transit, close it down, but they did."
And it is apparently not cost effective to keep it going because NO ONE did.
Very simple.
"continue the life of convicted corporate felons" also very simple.
Posted by: ToppaTom | 24 July 2010 at 03:07 PM
We mandated removal of lead in gasoline and catalytic converters and got cleaner air. We mandated seat belts and got fewer deaths and injuries on the highway. We can mandate all new FFVs and M85 and eliminate oil imports from the middle east. The private sector did not and will not do any of those things because it is not profitable...simple.
Posted by: SJC | 24 July 2010 at 03:20 PM
I have and use a scangauge - It will not save you anything like 33% unless you change from total disregard for MPG to a hypermiler and you don't need instant MPG for that.
It is NOT as simple as some imply.
Better mileage on the highway is simple – slow down, be late, spend an extra night in a motel.
Better mileage in the city is complex and a Scangauge is not much help.
In the city, the biggest gain is to avoid braking.
But a Scangauge shows great MPG while breaking.
“Avoiding braking” actually is more complex; it means plan ahead, coast instead of hold speed, lay back and let the light change and the traffic ahead clear. Then try to ignore the rage of the drivers behind you while you accelerate barely enough to make the light - excess speed will just require braking.
I suspect that if 50% of the drivers did this and other were left to cope with them we would have synergistic chaos. I am not against driving green, I do it moderately, but it is oversold.
Slow acceleration from stop is also moderately good for MPG, but early upshifts is the real goal and the Scangauge is not much help here either, it does not show sudden high MPG upon early upshifts.
Posted by: ToppaTom | 24 July 2010 at 03:21 PM
"We mandated removal of lead . . and catalytic converters .. seat belts . . . . The private sector did not and will not do any of those things because it is not profitable. . .simple."
I agree.
And of course individuals did not want to, and did not opt to, pay for these, as they viewed them (right or wrong) as not a good value for them personally.
We can and should mandate measures (like FFV and M85) that will help eliminate oil imports from the middle east because these are essential benefits for society more so than the individual (who would not often buy them). . .simple.
Posted by: ToppaTom | 24 July 2010 at 04:03 PM
Some people must really want to dump all laws, since laws are not inherently profitable.
As both criminals and corporations take all the money they can get and don't worry about who or what they hurt or destroy - what's difference?
Tell some Gulf Coast families that lost their fishing and tourism livelihoods that "It's simple" - it's all just corporate profit.
That person would be wishing for lots of laws then..
Posted by: kelly | 24 July 2010 at 08:38 PM
It kind of depends which side of the law you are on. If you want to loot, then no laws is better. If you want to be a law abiding citizen, then you respect and cherish the laws.
Posted by: SJC | 24 July 2010 at 10:46 PM
The conversion of coal to vehicle fuel or chemicals is the only way to eliminate imported oil use quickly. China is doing it in a big way in its chemical industry.
Since computers control automobile engines anyway, they could feed enough electricity and fuel and air to the exhaust system to keep it operation ready at a stop.
Flywheel starter-generators could eliminate the inefficiency of the belts.
..HG..
Posted by: Henry Gibson | 25 July 2010 at 01:29 AM
In other words we are getting ONLY what is most profitable for manufacturers/distributors. That is why $1 Chinese shirts sell so well at $14.77. The profit margin is sky high and still cheaper than a locally made equivalent. Chinese built electrified vehicles and future EV batteries, sold at Walmart, Target, Costco etc, will be great hits.
A society or democracy reduced to use ONLY goods and services that produce the largest profit margins may have reached the turning point and may start to decline at a progressive faster rate. This may be what has started in USA during the latter part of the previous administration.
This type of acquired progressive brain distortion is not easy to cure. To re-convince people that quality justifies higher price and to restrict profit margins is not illegal in a wild free market society may shock many but may be required to avoid falling any further.
Posted by: HarveyD | 25 July 2010 at 09:05 AM
Why build something when it is more profitable investing in treasury bonds from Brazil, Portugal, Spain, Greece and elsewhere. It is money for nothing, with manufacturing you actually have to make something and take the risk of an economic recession that you caused?
Posted by: SJC | 25 July 2010 at 11:35 AM
FOX News is the most popular news channel in the US.
That's the reason the country is in such good shape. Lol
Posted by: Mannstein | 25 July 2010 at 06:26 PM
@Mannstein
BINGO!
Posted by: ai_vin | 25 July 2010 at 09:19 PM
There is a movie called Idiocracy, where an average man in the future is a genius. We may be heading there at a more rapid pace than we realize.
Posted by: SJC | 26 July 2010 at 11:03 AM
When more profits become the ONLY incentives and goals, a nation is in great danger of falling in the hands of the smart wheeler dealers. We had a very good example on Wall Street in 2007.
Posted by: HarveyD | 27 July 2010 at 07:00 AM